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	<title>Comments on: A Day at the Beach (Part 2). . . Warning: Rip Current</title>
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		<title>By: Kari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have many thoughts on this, and am afraid I may be on the wrong side of this conversation . . .

What other women do or do not wear is not the cause of my husband's thoughts.  He is a human.  Gratefully, he has always been respectful and if there was ogling, I did not see it.  This is a two way street and women, in my experience, can be even worse than the men when it comes to "noticing."

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think sin starts in the heart not the eyes or mind.  I think you can notice someone is attractive without it being sinful.

There was a reference in the Part 1 toward drinking.  In my mind, sin is a lot like an alcoholic taking the first drink.  The first drink starts long before the first drink happens.  It is romanticized and rationalized then actioned.  The fact that the drink was available did not cause the alcoholic to drink.  The alcoholic is responsible for that action.  I see this as the same slippery slope.

This is where the relationship with God comes in.  Only we and God know the true nature of our thoughts.  If our desire is to honor God and the commitments we made to each other before God, we will pray accordingly and work with God toward that end.  

But I don't think we can be held responsible for what is put before us as other than circumstance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have many thoughts on this, and am afraid I may be on the wrong side of this conversation . . .</p>
<p>What other women do or do not wear is not the cause of my husband&#8217;s thoughts.  He is a human.  Gratefully, he has always been respectful and if there was ogling, I did not see it.  This is a two way street and women, in my experience, can be even worse than the men when it comes to &#8220;noticing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m wrong, but I think sin starts in the heart not the eyes or mind.  I think you can notice someone is attractive without it being sinful.</p>
<p>There was a reference in the Part 1 toward drinking.  In my mind, sin is a lot like an alcoholic taking the first drink.  The first drink starts long before the first drink happens.  It is romanticized and rationalized then actioned.  The fact that the drink was available did not cause the alcoholic to drink.  The alcoholic is responsible for that action.  I see this as the same slippery slope.</p>
<p>This is where the relationship with God comes in.  Only we and God know the true nature of our thoughts.  If our desire is to honor God and the commitments we made to each other before God, we will pray accordingly and work with God toward that end.  </p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t think we can be held responsible for what is put before us as other than circumstance.</p>
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		<title>By: can</title>
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		<dc:creator>can</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice hearing this from a women's perspective.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice hearing this from a women&#8217;s perspective.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicki Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great wisdom here.
Donna, your illustration of the rip currents was really great. You must have the spiritual gift of teaching. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great wisdom here.<br />
Donna, your illustration of the rip currents was really great. You must have the spiritual gift of teaching. <img src='http://forgodsfame.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your input, guys!  Ladies, I agree with both of you, hence my request for ladies to be humble, gentle, and prayerful before they do anything and to remember that their husbands are not their enemies in this battle.  I will be addressing some of these issues in Part 3.  

Certainly, when there are unexpected and unwelcome temptations that are not acted on, we would be wrong to count it offense.  I heard Jennifer Rothschild answer a question recently about controlling our thoughts.  I liked her illustration.  She said that thoughts are like guests.  When they come to your door, you can choose to invite them in, entertain them, and feed them OR you can choose to not let them in.  If temptation has come to our husband’s door and he has shut that door, we certainly would be wrong to hold him responsible.  However, once the second and third looks have happened, that guest has been invited in.  Ultimately, it is the role of the Holy Spirit to convict if that is the case.  However, He often chooses to do His work through humble and teachable people that are His instruments to lead people to see their need for repentance in various areas.

In the situation where a husband has indulged in pornography, damage that many consider betrayal, and even Jesus referred to as adultery in the heart, has been done to a relationship.  In this case, more has to happen than for a woman to simply get over it and treat the one who has hurt her as a Christian sister should do.  I would submit that this is not just an issue of moving past the blame-game.  If real damage that equates to betrayal has occurred in the relationship, true healing needs to happen.  If a wife does not help her husband see the damage his sin has caused, he will be that much more enabled to continue being trapped by it, and he is as much of a victim as the wife is.  That would not be truly helping him.  

I agree that we should not nag our husbands, however.  It is clear in Proverbs that that is not a wise or godly thing to do.  Yet, part of Christian sisters and brothers helping each other is to hold each other accountable to repenting and steering clear from sinful behavior, whether that be lust or envy or gossip or laziness or adultery, etc.  Anytime we help encourage someone away from sin and towards godliness, with our hearts humble and trusting the Lord, we will have a harder time falling prey to the pride and judgmental attitudes.  Again, though, if true damage has been done to the relationship, the woman will understandably be hurt and will have to work through her emotions.  She should not condemn herself as being judgmental or proud just for calling sin “sin” and for recognizing the damage it has done to her husband and their family.  She is called to forgive as God has forgiven her, though, so she cannot hang onto the offense, either.  

This situation is difficult for all involved, so there must be hard work from both parties to move beyond this damage in a relationship.  But with God’s Spirit guiding two hearts that desire to be changed and to honor Him, nothing is impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your input, guys!  Ladies, I agree with both of you, hence my request for ladies to be humble, gentle, and prayerful before they do anything and to remember that their husbands are not their enemies in this battle.  I will be addressing some of these issues in Part 3.  </p>
<p>Certainly, when there are unexpected and unwelcome temptations that are not acted on, we would be wrong to count it offense.  I heard Jennifer Rothschild answer a question recently about controlling our thoughts.  I liked her illustration.  She said that thoughts are like guests.  When they come to your door, you can choose to invite them in, entertain them, and feed them OR you can choose to not let them in.  If temptation has come to our husband’s door and he has shut that door, we certainly would be wrong to hold him responsible.  However, once the second and third looks have happened, that guest has been invited in.  Ultimately, it is the role of the Holy Spirit to convict if that is the case.  However, He often chooses to do His work through humble and teachable people that are His instruments to lead people to see their need for repentance in various areas.</p>
<p>In the situation where a husband has indulged in pornography, damage that many consider betrayal, and even Jesus referred to as adultery in the heart, has been done to a relationship.  In this case, more has to happen than for a woman to simply get over it and treat the one who has hurt her as a Christian sister should do.  I would submit that this is not just an issue of moving past the blame-game.  If real damage that equates to betrayal has occurred in the relationship, true healing needs to happen.  If a wife does not help her husband see the damage his sin has caused, he will be that much more enabled to continue being trapped by it, and he is as much of a victim as the wife is.  That would not be truly helping him.  </p>
<p>I agree that we should not nag our husbands, however.  It is clear in Proverbs that that is not a wise or godly thing to do.  Yet, part of Christian sisters and brothers helping each other is to hold each other accountable to repenting and steering clear from sinful behavior, whether that be lust or envy or gossip or laziness or adultery, etc.  Anytime we help encourage someone away from sin and towards godliness, with our hearts humble and trusting the Lord, we will have a harder time falling prey to the pride and judgmental attitudes.  Again, though, if true damage has been done to the relationship, the woman will understandably be hurt and will have to work through her emotions.  She should not condemn herself as being judgmental or proud just for calling sin “sin” and for recognizing the damage it has done to her husband and their family.  She is called to forgive as God has forgiven her, though, so she cannot hang onto the offense, either.  </p>
<p>This situation is difficult for all involved, so there must be hard work from both parties to move beyond this damage in a relationship.  But with God’s Spirit guiding two hearts that desire to be changed and to honor Him, nothing is impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Farr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Farr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is good for a wife to avoid over-playing up the victim angle. She will be most able to help her husband if she can see things as objectively as possible.

At the same time, as men, we need to realize that any sin we indulge in has victims. If we take Jesus as face value in &lt;a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Matthew+5%3A27-30" rel="nofollow"&gt;Matthew 5:27-30&lt;/a&gt;, when we lust after a woman, we have committed a form of adultery.

By my estimation, if I commit adultery, I offend three parties…

Adultery is an offense against God. I transgress His law and I express that I am not content with what God has provided for me.

Adultery is an offense against the one we commit it with. Even though the object of my lust (or partner in actual adultery) is often complicit and bears her own guilt, that does not absolve me from the fact that I used a person made in God’s image as an object to satisfy my lust.

Adultery is an offense against my wife. It violates the trust I asked my wife to place in me as I vowed faithfulness to her. 

Our wives are victims of our indulgence in lusting toward other women. Let’s not gloss over that.

I also think it is good to distinguish between situations that come upon us from situations that we seek out. However, if we frequent places where there is a pattern of being presented with opportunities to lust, then, at some point, we cannot claim to be surprised by what we are seeing. We need to avoid those situations (if at all possible).

Second, when we do get surprised by a situation that draws our attention, our reaction is our responsibility. The look that lingers or the second look is our responsibility. To butcher an old cliché, “See your over-exposed breasts in a low-cut blouse, shame on you. See them twice, shame on me.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is good for a wife to avoid over-playing up the victim angle. She will be most able to help her husband if she can see things as objectively as possible.</p>
<p>At the same time, as men, we need to realize that any sin we indulge in has victims. If we take Jesus as face value in <a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Matthew+5%3A27-30" rel="nofollow">Matthew 5:27-30</a>, when we lust after a woman, we have committed a form of adultery.</p>
<p>By my estimation, if I commit adultery, I offend three parties…</p>
<p>Adultery is an offense against God. I transgress His law and I express that I am not content with what God has provided for me.</p>
<p>Adultery is an offense against the one we commit it with. Even though the object of my lust (or partner in actual adultery) is often complicit and bears her own guilt, that does not absolve me from the fact that I used a person made in God’s image as an object to satisfy my lust.</p>
<p>Adultery is an offense against my wife. It violates the trust I asked my wife to place in me as I vowed faithfulness to her. </p>
<p>Our wives are victims of our indulgence in lusting toward other women. Let’s not gloss over that.</p>
<p>I also think it is good to distinguish between situations that come upon us from situations that we seek out. However, if we frequent places where there is a pattern of being presented with opportunities to lust, then, at some point, we cannot claim to be surprised by what we are seeing. We need to avoid those situations (if at all possible).</p>
<p>Second, when we do get surprised by a situation that draws our attention, our reaction is our responsibility. The look that lingers or the second look is our responsibility. To butcher an old cliché, “See your over-exposed breasts in a low-cut blouse, shame on you. See them twice, shame on me.”</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Vicki.  The sooner women are able to move past the blame-game and the "How could you do this to ME?" victim-speak, and onto a sister in Christ that desires their brother in Christ to be out from under the bondage of lust, the faster the couple can move to solutions.  

Another thing-there is a big difference between what is put before your eyes without your consent (i.e., the beach), and intentionally putting something before your eyes (like porn); it's the difference between seeing and looking, or hearing and listening.  The intent of the heart makes the difference.

In the same way the enemy seeks to entice men, it seeks to entice women into pride and judgmental attitudes regarding lust.  Beware the divisive nature of dealing with this.  Humility, mercy, forgiveness, ladies.  As someone already said, our spouses were given to us by God Himself.  We are to build each other up and spur each other on toward obedience to God.  He can and does equip us to do this when we depend on Him for guidance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Vicki.  The sooner women are able to move past the blame-game and the &#8220;How could you do this to ME?&#8221; victim-speak, and onto a sister in Christ that desires their brother in Christ to be out from under the bondage of lust, the faster the couple can move to solutions.  </p>
<p>Another thing-there is a big difference between what is put before your eyes without your consent (i.e., the beach), and intentionally putting something before your eyes (like porn); it&#8217;s the difference between seeing and looking, or hearing and listening.  The intent of the heart makes the difference.</p>
<p>In the same way the enemy seeks to entice men, it seeks to entice women into pride and judgmental attitudes regarding lust.  Beware the divisive nature of dealing with this.  Humility, mercy, forgiveness, ladies.  As someone already said, our spouses were given to us by God Himself.  We are to build each other up and spur each other on toward obedience to God.  He can and does equip us to do this when we depend on Him for guidance.</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki Miller</title>
		<link>http://forgodsfame.org/2008/06/25/a-day-at-the-beach-part-2-warning-rip-current/#comment-5691</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicki Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to continue. I just read part one. 
I would say to wives that are trying to help keep their husbands pure in this area, they must first approach it from an angle of a sister in Christ, instead of attempting to be their husbands conscience or acting in place of the Holy Spirit. We are called to sharpen each other, even if we get cut sometimes. If our husbands seek accountability from us and we go overboard, it could make marriage a nightmare! For instance, "I saw you look over at that person. Were you struggling?" which leads to, "What is wrong with me?" 
I remember when Dan and I were first married. We were at the beach in New York and Ben was a new born. This girl (bursting out of her bikini) came over to us and started talking to Dan and me. Funny how young I was..I think I was upset at Dan for that for a bit. Dan had done nothing wrong, he was trying to gear his eyes elsewhere. There is this tendency that we sometimes feel that if our husbands feel the sting of our anger in little things they will remember it when we are not around. I'm thankful we've come a long way from those petty things.
A sin or area of struggle for our husbands needs to be met with the understanding that the enemy seeks to entice him. We are to be Christ to them, full of grace and forgiveness,trying to understand that if they came to us in the first place, they must want to overcome the challenge. We are to love them like Christ loves them if they are to conquer the temptation. Taking it personally only brings decay into a spiritual issue. It is what we would want from them if the roles were reversed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to continue. I just read part one.<br />
I would say to wives that are trying to help keep their husbands pure in this area, they must first approach it from an angle of a sister in Christ, instead of attempting to be their husbands conscience or acting in place of the Holy Spirit. We are called to sharpen each other, even if we get cut sometimes. If our husbands seek accountability from us and we go overboard, it could make marriage a nightmare! For instance, &#8220;I saw you look over at that person. Were you struggling?&#8221; which leads to, &#8220;What is wrong with me?&#8221;<br />
I remember when Dan and I were first married. We were at the beach in New York and Ben was a new born. This girl (bursting out of her bikini) came over to us and started talking to Dan and me. Funny how young I was..I think I was upset at Dan for that for a bit. Dan had done nothing wrong, he was trying to gear his eyes elsewhere. There is this tendency that we sometimes feel that if our husbands feel the sting of our anger in little things they will remember it when we are not around. I&#8217;m thankful we&#8217;ve come a long way from those petty things.<br />
A sin or area of struggle for our husbands needs to be met with the understanding that the enemy seeks to entice him. We are to be Christ to them, full of grace and forgiveness,trying to understand that if they came to us in the first place, they must want to overcome the challenge. We are to love them like Christ loves them if they are to conquer the temptation. Taking it personally only brings decay into a spiritual issue. It is what we would want from them if the roles were reversed.</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicki Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donna, I appreciate your boldness. It is neat to have a women's perspective on a subject that makes most wives want to  turn their head in ignorance. The truth can be hurtful, so why probe? This culture is totally centered on meeting our selfish needs. I look forward to part 3. But first I have to locate part 1 (I didn't read it yet).
Larry, excellent points!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donna, I appreciate your boldness. It is neat to have a women&#8217;s perspective on a subject that makes most wives want to  turn their head in ignorance. The truth can be hurtful, so why probe? This culture is totally centered on meeting our selfish needs. I look forward to part 3. But first I have to locate part 1 (I didn&#8217;t read it yet).<br />
Larry, excellent points!</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the John Owen topic: Justin Taylor and Kelly Kapic edited three of Owen's works (&lt;cite&gt;Of the Mortification of Sin in Believers&lt;/cite&gt;, &lt;cite&gt;Of Temptation: The Nature and Power of It&lt;/cite&gt;, and &lt;cite&gt;Indwelling Sin&lt;/cite&gt;) in a single volume titled &lt;a href="http://www.johnowen.org/media/OvercomingSinAndTemptation.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;cite&gt;Overcoming Sin and Temptation&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (the link takes you to a free PDF of the book).

They updated the language ("thee" becomes "you", "hath" becomes "have", etc.) and footnoted the most challenging vocabulary.

It's slow going... but good stuff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the John Owen topic: Justin Taylor and Kelly Kapic edited three of Owen&#8217;s works (<cite>Of the Mortification of Sin in Believers</cite>, <cite>Of Temptation: The Nature and Power of It</cite>, and <cite>Indwelling Sin</cite>) in a single volume titled <a href="http://www.johnowen.org/media/OvercomingSinAndTemptation.pdf" rel="nofollow"><cite>Overcoming Sin and Temptation</cite></a> (the link takes you to a free PDF of the book).</p>
<p>They updated the language (&#8221;thee&#8221; becomes &#8220;you&#8221;, &#8220;hath&#8221; becomes &#8220;have&#8221;, etc.) and footnoted the most challenging vocabulary.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s slow going&#8230; but good stuff!</p>
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		<title>By: guiroo</title>
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		<dc:creator>guiroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoying the discussion.

Also &lt;a href="http://www.xxxchurch.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;xxxchurch.com&lt;/a&gt; has resources and materials. Even a book for couples dealing with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoying the discussion.</p>
<p>Also <a href="http://www.xxxchurch.com" rel="nofollow">xxxchurch.com</a> has resources and materials. Even a book for couples dealing with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O'Ryan, I've read this book several times but I've not taken that away as one of Owen's main points. (BTW, I found the version at Amazon done by Richard Rushing in modern English to be much easier to follow than Owen's original!)

However, if we view sexual lust for what it really is, selfishness, a desire to satisfy myself at the expense of another person, the opposite would be selflessness, putting the needs and best interests of others ahead of my own.  If I do that it is much more difficult to view another person lustfully.  Another counterbalance to lust is contentment.  Sexual lust is often driven by a 'the grass is greener over there' mentality.  If I'm content in my circumstances, rejoicing in the 'wife of my youth' (Proverbs 5:18) I'm much less likely to be tempted sexually.

I tend to view sexual lust as a surface level symptom of deeper issues in my life.  If I'm struggling with it I need primarily to die more to self and to cultivate contentment. One of the things John Owen says is "You cannot mortify a specific lust that is troubling you, unless you are seeking to obey the Lord from the heart in all areas."   So, rather than isolate 'sexual lust' and try to deal with it as an item, I must examine the whole pattern of my life and be willing to submit to God any areas that I find which are contrary to His will.  In dealing with the 'heart' issues, the more obvious things like lust will begin to be dealt with as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O&#8217;Ryan, I&#8217;ve read this book several times but I&#8217;ve not taken that away as one of Owen&#8217;s main points. (BTW, I found the version at Amazon done by Richard Rushing in modern English to be much easier to follow than Owen&#8217;s original!)</p>
<p>However, if we view sexual lust for what it really is, selfishness, a desire to satisfy myself at the expense of another person, the opposite would be selflessness, putting the needs and best interests of others ahead of my own.  If I do that it is much more difficult to view another person lustfully.  Another counterbalance to lust is contentment.  Sexual lust is often driven by a &#8216;the grass is greener over there&#8217; mentality.  If I&#8217;m content in my circumstances, rejoicing in the &#8216;wife of my youth&#8217; (Proverbs 5:18) I&#8217;m much less likely to be tempted sexually.</p>
<p>I tend to view sexual lust as a surface level symptom of deeper issues in my life.  If I&#8217;m struggling with it I need primarily to die more to self and to cultivate contentment. One of the things John Owen says is &#8220;You cannot mortify a specific lust that is troubling you, unless you are seeking to obey the Lord from the heart in all areas.&#8221;   So, rather than isolate &#8217;sexual lust&#8217; and try to deal with it as an item, I must examine the whole pattern of my life and be willing to submit to God any areas that I find which are contrary to His will.  In dealing with the &#8216;heart&#8217; issues, the more obvious things like lust will begin to be dealt with as well.</p>
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		<title>By: O'Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>O'Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been kicking around these two things.  John Owen seems to say that when sin is present in your life you should proactively work against the sin by countering with an opposite response.  So if you are greedy counter with hilarious giving; if you are selfish, serve sacrificially.  What is the opposite response to sexual lust?

Link to free text of John Owen's Of the Mortification of Sin in Believers Larry mentioned above. 
&lt;a href="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/owen/mort.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Free text&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?sourceonly=true&#38;currSection=sermonssource&#38;keyword=swrb&#38;subsetcat=series&#38;subsetitem=On+The+Mortification+of+Sin" rel="nofollow"&gt;Free Audio&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been kicking around these two things.  John Owen seems to say that when sin is present in your life you should proactively work against the sin by countering with an opposite response.  So if you are greedy counter with hilarious giving; if you are selfish, serve sacrificially.  What is the opposite response to sexual lust?</p>
<p>Link to free text of John Owen&#8217;s Of the Mortification of Sin in Believers Larry mentioned above.<br />
<a href="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/owen/mort.html" rel="nofollow">Free text</a>, <a href="http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?sourceonly=true&amp;currSection=sermonssource&amp;keyword=swrb&amp;subsetcat=series&amp;subsetitem=On+The+Mortification+of+Sin" rel="nofollow">Free Audio</a></p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good points Donna!  An excellent resource along these same lines is &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Mortification-Sin-Puritan-Paperbacks/dp/0851518672/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&#38;s=books&#38;qid=1214401131&#38;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Mortification of Sin&lt;/a&gt; by John Owen.  Though not specifically directed at lust, it lays out the Biblical method of putting to death the sins in our lives (whatever they may be) that so easily entangle us if we don't have a proactive plan to deal with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good points Donna!  An excellent resource along these same lines is <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Mortification-Sin-Puritan-Paperbacks/dp/0851518672/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1214401131&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">The Mortification of Sin</a> by John Owen.  Though not specifically directed at lust, it lays out the Biblical method of putting to death the sins in our lives (whatever they may be) that so easily entangle us if we don&#8217;t have a proactive plan to deal with them.</p>
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